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OK for those of us that have seen it...let's hear it all...the good, the bad, the ugly...
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Believe016 wrote:I saw it last evening in Wayne, NJ. Upon arriving (half hour before show time), I was 4th in line. By the time the flick started, the theater was pretty much full (good to see). I certainly don't want to throw any spoilers out here, so all I will say is I had reserved disappointment last night after the movie finished. Reserved because I am withholding final judgment until I see a dubbed copy (hopefully in a few months). I don't know that is going to change anything as one of the bigger issues I had was with how it was shot.

I hope that those who did go see it, and everyone else who will see it before the run is over - enjoys it....
the long distance, wide angle shots?
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raydrz wrote:
Believe016 wrote:I saw it last evening in Wayne, NJ. Upon arriving (half hour before show time), I was 4th in line. By the time the flick started, the theater was pretty much full (good to see). I certainly don't want to throw any spoilers out here, so all I will say is I had reserved disappointment last night after the movie finished. Reserved because I am withholding final judgment until I see a dubbed copy (hopefully in a few months). I don't know that is going to change anything as one of the bigger issues I had was with how it was shot.

I hope that those who did go see it, and everyone else who will see it before the run is over - enjoys it....
the long distance, wide angle shots?
Too much talking, the political satire was probably lost on most Americans, the "Blair Witch" style chaos scenes, etc. But I liked the effects, and boy is Godzilla different than I have ever seen!
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didn't like the politics, anti-US undertones
didn't like the ridiculous GOJI-slug at the beginning...stupid looking...
didn't like "phase 2" either (no arms)...
for the most part G was like a statue...even before the big freeze

cool destruction scenes
love when he first lights the city on fire...
dorsal and tail laser blasts were cool but would have been more inspiring if aimed at Ghidorah or some flying MONSTER

what about the melted bodies in the tail at the end? very Takeya...would have appreciated an explanation though...
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raydrz wrote:didn't like the politics, anti-US undertones
didn't like the ridiculous GOJI-slug at the beginning...stupid looking...
didn't like "phase 2" either (no arms)...
for the most part G was like a statue...even before the big freeze

cool destruction scenes
love when he first lights the city on fire...
dorsal and tail laser blasts were cool but would have been more inspiring if aimed at Ghidorah or some flying MONSTER

what about the melted bodies in the tail at the end? very Takeya...would have appreciated an explanation though...
The tail thing was really freaky! They barely looked human!
I actually liked the second form. Daimos has a a big kit of it coming out. T's has a 15 inch tall final form, but I don't like it as well as others I have seen.
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Jon LeGrand wrote:
raydrz wrote:didn't like the politics, anti-US undertones
didn't like the ridiculous GOJI-slug at the beginning...stupid looking...
didn't like "phase 2" either (no arms)...
for the most part G was like a statue...even before the big freeze

cool destruction scenes
love when he first lights the city on fire...
dorsal and tail laser blasts were cool but would have been more inspiring if aimed at Ghidorah or some flying MONSTER

what about the melted bodies in the tail at the end? very Takeya...would have appreciated an explanation though...
The tail thing was really freaky! They barely looked human!
I actually liked the second form. Daimos has a a big kit of it coming out. T's has a 15 inch tall final form, but I don't like it as well as others I have seen.
"2nd form from Daimos"...the slug? i thought that was phase 1...i wouldn't take it for free...

i thought second form was upright/no arms...

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Godzilla ends the movie as a statue, frozen in the center of a decimated Tokyo. At the tip of its tail, hardened into death or hibernation, are a multitude of skeletal creatures.

The natural explanation for the ending of Shin Godzilla is reproduction: the little guys frozen in Godzilla’s tail in the last shot are baby Godzillas (btw, Shin Godzilla retcons the origin of the name, it’s now more Godzilla than Gojira). But that’s not quite right. Sure, the little skeletal figures have Godzilla’s signature dorsal fins, but they also have human-like skulls and long arms. They look nothing like Godzilla.

There’s something thematic going on here. Anyone familiar with the work of Shin Godzilla director Hideaki Anno (who co-directed with Shinji Higuchi) knows his fixation on human mutability and the confusing interplay between our individual selves and the other souls around us. The End of Evangelion revolves around a techno-spiritual conspiracy to dissolve the boundaries between human bodies, melting all of our minds into a collective ocean of consciousness. Explaining the end of Shin Godzilla isn’t about Godzilla, it’s about us.

Shin Godzilla is about the people of Japan banding together to assert their own power and importance on the international stage, stepping out from under the protective but smothering dome of United States military power to defeat Godzilla on their own terms. But Shin Godzilla is about more than just Japan, it’s about our collective powers as a species. The movie downplays protagonists and individual heroes. Instead, Godzilla is defeated by career bureaucrats doing a good job, sharing responsibility and working together. We may get bogged down in committee meetings, but together we’re stronger than any god.

Godzilla exhibits a number of peculiar qualities in Shin Godzilla, which is explained in part by its incredibly dense DNA. Godzilla’s threat is described as insurmountable due to its genetic complexity, which will make it responsive to anything we can throw at it. Godzilla is simply more evolved than us.

One of Godzilla’s powers is the ability to adapt to any threat. In Shin Godzilla he evolves through multiple “forms,” freezing in place or retreating into the ocean to undergo a rapid adaptive mutation. It’s a creature that’s harnessed the power of evolution in itself, requiring hours, not generations, to become something different and stronger.

So when Godzilla is defeated by a collection of tiny beings working together against its single massive form, what would be the natural next evolutionary step? They’re not babies. The ending of Shin Godzilla is more than that. If committees defeated Godzilla, then Godzilla will become a committee. The last shot of Shin Godzilla depicts Godzilla evolving into his next form: an army of humanoids to match collective power with collective power.
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raydrz wrote:
Jon LeGrand wrote:
raydrz wrote:didn't like the politics, anti-US undertones
didn't like the ridiculous GOJI-slug at the beginning...stupid looking...
didn't like "phase 2" either (no arms)...
for the most part G was like a statue...even before the big freeze

cool destruction scenes
love when he first lights the city on fire...
dorsal and tail laser blasts were cool but would have been more inspiring if aimed at Ghidorah or some flying MONSTER

what about the melted bodies in the tail at the end? very Takeya...would have appreciated an explanation though...
The tail thing was really freaky! They barely looked human!
I actually liked the second form. Daimos has a a big kit of it coming out. T's has a 15 inch tall final form, but I don't like it as well as others I have seen.
"2nd form from Daimos"...the slug? i thought that was phase 1...i wouldn't take it for free...

i thought second form was upright/no arms...

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I saw it. My brain is still trying to process what I saw. The overall experience was great... almost 200 people showed up to see it on Tuesday night. It was soo cool sitting in the theater with that many Godzilla fans watching the movie. Everyone was really into it.

I enjoyed the movie, although I can understand the problems you guys had with it.
Man, those purple lasers though...when Godzilla just went crazy blowing stuff up and breathing fire and shooting lasers...those effects were awesome!

Also the classic Ifukube music was a really nice touch. Love that stuff. I sat through the credits just listening to all those classic Godzilla themes.
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WStulack wrote:I saw it. My brain is still trying to process what I saw. The overall experience was great... almost 200 people showed up to see it on Tuesday night. It was soo cool sitting in the theater with that many Godzilla fans watching the movie. Everyone was really into it.

I enjoyed the movie, although I can understand the problems you guys had with it.
Man, those purple lasers though...when Godzilla just went crazy blowing stuff up and breathing fire and shooting lasers...those effects were awesome!

Also the classic Ifukube music was a really nice touch. Love that stuff. I sat through the credits just listening to all those classic Godzilla themes.
I felt same...saw it tonight....great Godzilla destruction scenes....something about this version seemed distant and cold....no empathy towards this Godzilla 2016. Liked it but didn't love it.....humans were boring. :roll:
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WStulack wrote: Man, those purple lasers though...when Godzilla just went crazy blowing stuff up and breathing fire and shooting lasers...those effects were awesome!

Also the classic Ifukube music was a really nice touch. Love that stuff. I sat through the credits just listening to all those classic Godzilla themes.
doubt there can be anyone who disagrees... :hot:
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I didn't know they were showing it here in the States... any site I can check out to see where in my area I could see it?

Never mind... found the info on another post... looks like there's no place close to me that's playing it... good or bad... still would have liked to see the G on the big screen.
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The only thing about this I thought was really cool was his oral beam. The rest? Talk, talk, talk! Maybe all those potlitical board meetings meant something to the Japanese, but (alas) not to me.
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