Pastels - Which ones do I need?

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Pastels - Which ones do I need?

#1 Post by GAWD »

I buy most of my items from here:

http://www.deserres.ca/en-ca?gclid=CIGB ... aQod3hgO7w

I'm new to pastels. Have never used them, seen them or even touched them. I'm looking to buy them to compliment my airbrushing and learn how to "shade" with them.

Which ones or type do I need? Looking at the Model Mania videos he takes his pastels rubs them over sandpaper and then uses the "powder".

What type is that? I see hard, soft, extra soft HALF? Confused so feel free to talk to me like a newbie :)

Go ahead a suggest some products from that site too if you want.
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#2 Post by bed172 »

So long as they are chalk pastels and not oil pastels any will do.
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Does their firmness mean anything? Soft, extra soft? Hard? Half?
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#4 Post by Ant »

I use Conte' brand - usually buy individually here in the UK but they do a set at the site you list

http://www.deserres.ca/en-ca/search/box ... els/14763/
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Perfect thank you! Have something to compare to now :)
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#6 Post by Chas K »

Do you want to spend some money?
I've recently started using Pan Pastels. They're ready to use as-is and very high quality. They come in over 80 colors including shades, tints and metalics.
I can't really explain the difference between them and sticks so check them out here:

http://www.panpastel.com/

They're not cheap but a little goes a long way.
The cheapest place I've found them is:

http://www.dickblick.com/

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Thanks Charlie, they would be out of my price range but I'd know for the future what to buy :)
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#8 Post by ffolkes75 »

watch the cheap ones....sometimes they react funky with dullcote. I use rembrandts, a bit pricier but they hold up pretty well for me.
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Damn, how about with Future as a sealer before the dullcoat?
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#10 Post by Trekkriffic »

If you have a hobby store near you (one that sells models) ask them if they carry Tamiya weathering pastels.
They make about 5 different sets.

https://www.google.com/#q=tamiya+weathe ... r&tbm=shop
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#11 Post by GAWD »

Thanks for all the info guys. Didn't want to buy the really expensive and didn't trust the really cheap. Went with something in the middle to try them out and see what I got myself into.
Hopefully it's opened up a whole new world for me :)

I'm assuming we use Pastels just to darken, shade and NOT to brighten? Can we make a black... grey for instance?
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#12 Post by Avall15 »

Love, love, love pan pastels!
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GAWD wrote:Thanks for all the info guys. Didn't want to buy the really expensive and didn't trust the really cheap. Went with something in the middle to try them out and see what I got myself into.
Hopefully it's opened up a whole new world for me :)

I'm assuming we use Pastels just to darken, shade and NOT to brighten? Can we make a black... grey for instance?
You can lighten, darken, and do various things by adding complementary, or other colors. Your imagination is the limit.
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Just darkening by adding black or lightening by adding white can be boring. Try other light or dark colors to do the darkening or lightening.

I use Rembrandts because they are high quality and I draw with them sometimes as well. Pan Pastels are pretty interesting. They might be fun to try someday. I've never seen metallic pastels.
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GAWD wrote:Damn, how about with Future as a sealer before the dullcoat?
Will paints stick to Future? I'm curious as well. I've never actually used Future.
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#16 Post by visible »

Having worked with pastels for years and teaching drawing at a university level for thirty years, I can add to this discussion. The gist of it is, you get what you pay for. Pastels are basically pigment (color) and binder (usually gum Arabic). The best brands use lesser amounts of binder and more pure pigment, the cheaper ones use less pigment and more binder. Think of kid’s sidewalk chalk – they’re mostly binder and very little pigment.

Hard pastels are great for artists to use and create detail, they can even be sharpened to a point. Most pastels are soft and allow for blending effects similar to oil paint. (This is why painters for centuries have used pastels in tandem with their painting, from Chardin, to Degas, to Wayne Thiebaud today.)

Schminke and Sennelier pastels are hands down the best. The colors are intense and lush. You will pay more for these brands, however. If you don’t shop there already, check out:

http://www.dickblick.com
http://www.utrechtart.com
http://www.danielsmith.com

Below are the brands I recommend from best to not-so-great or student grade:

Best:
Schmincke (soft)
Sennelier (soft)

Medium:
Rembrandt (soft)
NuPastel (hard)

Student Grade:
Alphacolor (soft)
Yarka (soft)

Hope this helps.

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#17 Post by Kitzilla »

I use a mix of hard pastel sticks I turn to powder with sandpaper, PanPastels, and jars of modeling pigments from Vallejo/Mig/AK Interactive etc etc. Each has their own use and own characteristics.

PanPastels are the most "moist" of the three, and the most pigment rich. They will go on thicker and more brilliant, and will stick much easier. They're great, but you definitely need a deft touch since they can easily go on too heavy. The pastel sticks and sandpaper method is great because they're cheap, and available in a ton of colors. Fairly dry, but will stick decently. The modeling pigments from various modelling companies come in powder form, so are very convenient, and are the driest of the three. Can be tough to get to stick in any quantity, and are best for light dusty effects and very subtle shading.
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#18 Post by GAWD »

Panpastels look interesting but it wqs way too much per color. Played around with the ones I got and enjoyed what I saw so far.
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#19 Post by griffin »

Go light on the sealer coat and cut down the air pressure for best results.
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#20 Post by BobbysMonsterModels »

griffin wrote:Go light on the sealer coat and cut down the air pressure for best results.
Exactly, otherwise all that hard work in making it look just right disappears when you hit it with dull coat…as I have experienced many times.
Then again, sometimes it doesn't matter how lightly you spray the sealing coat on, it still can make the pastel disperse, and almost virtually disappear. I hate when it does that.
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